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Vinotas at the Super Tuscan Tasting 2002
Vinotas at the Super Tuscan Tasting 2002

Tasting Schedule

Tasting Schedule
Date Person Wine
Feb 15, 2006 Joe T Global Cab
May 8, 2006 Howard 2002 Aussie Shiraz
August 2006 Mark 1996 Bordeaux
October 2006 Steve 1999 Red Burgundy
November 14, 2006 Kip 1994 California Cabernet
Jan 2007 (Feb 7) Randy 2001 Super Tuscan
May 2007 Joe T World Cab's
August 21, 2007 Joe H Domestic Syrah
October 11, 2007 Howard Burgundy vs. US Pinot
January 29 2008 Mark
April 2, 2008 Steve Chateauneuf Du Pape
June 12, 2008 Kip 1995 Bordeaux with Abreu
November 19, 2008 Randy California Cult Cabs
Jan 2009 Joe T  ????
March 2009 Joe H  ????
May 2009 Howard  ????
July 2009 Mark  ????

Tasting Records

Note about the scoring: The lower the score, the better liked the wine. Our scoring system just adds up what rank each person placed on the wine - so if it got the #1 pick from the 7 tasters - then it would get a perfect score of a 7.

California Cult Cabernet (Randy 11/20/08)

California Cult Cabernet
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating $ Cost/Market Score
1 2004 Hourglass 94 $135 7
2 2005 Ghost Block NR $100 16
3 2005 O'Shaughnessy 95 $75 18
4 2004 Leaf & Twig NR $80 19
5 2005 Bucella 93 $125 20
6 2004 Roy 94 $100 27

notes

Great dinner at 231 Ellsworth. Wines were opened and decanted 2 hours before dinner. The selections were all cult type cabs with small productions (below 600 cases). All were drinking very well. Clearly different wines, with each expressing its individuality. All drank like American cabs - full bodied and ready to drink now. Thanks Randy!.

1995 Bordeaux, plus Abreu (Kip 6/1108)

1995 Bordeaux, plus Abreu
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating $ Cost/Market Score
1 1995 Abreu 95 $75/$300 12
2 1995 Grand Puy Lacoste 95 $60/$150 22
3 1995 Chateau Margaux 95 $320/$550 24
4 1995 Ducru-Beaucaillou 94 $100/$180 27
5 1995 Calon-Segur 92 $65/$95 33
6 1995 Mouton Rothschild 95 $320/$550 33
7 1995 Lafite Rothschild 95 $269/$589 45

notes

Great dinner at BCC with lamb chops. Apertif wine was a Corton Charlemagne. Greg B. as guest for Joe T. Lafite was possibly corked. It was generally agreed that the wines still needed another 8-10 years. The Abreu provided a wonderful juxtaposition to the French Bordeaux. It was a treat to taste them all. Some favorite recent wines suggested were: Keever Cab, William Kohl, Drinkward Pichon, Jade Mtn Syrah. Sav blancs: Marjoram, Celine, Scolium, Peter Michael Apres Midi. Rose: Tempier Bandol.


Chateauneuf du Pape (Steve 4/3/08)

Chateauneuf du Pape
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating Price Score
1 1989 Les Cailloux Cuvee Centenaire 94 $295 19
2 1990 Domaine Pegau Cuvee Laurence 95 $229 19
3 1989 Chateau de la Nerthe Cuvee des Cadettes 91 $125 24
4 1992 Henri Bonneau Reserve des Celestins 93 $250 27
5 1995 Chateau Beaucastel Hommage A Jaques Perrin 96 $335 28
6 1989 Domaine Pontifical (Francois Laget) 92 $59 35
6  ??? Reyas ?? $95 43

notes

Great dinner at PU with huge lamb chops. All were present.


French vs American Pinot (Howard 10/11/07)

The Judgement of Hillsborough
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating Price Score
0 1986 1986 Domaine de la Romanee Conti Romanee Conti 94 $6,300 --
1 2002 Williams Seylem Pinot Noir Allen Vyd 93 $110 16
2 1990 Domaine Leroy Vosne Romanee les Beaux Monts 98 $625 17
3 1999 Marcassin Pinot Noir Blue Slide Ridge 98 $395 20
4 1999 Domaine Dujac Echezeaux 92 $295 23
5 2004 Pisoni Pinot Noir Estate Santa Lucia Highlands Monterey 95 $110 25
6 2004 Kistler Pinot Noir Bodega Headlands Cuvee Elizabeth 97 $375 25

notes

Note that the DRC was left out of the official ranking because it was very, very different and also obvious as to what it was. Thankfully, it drank wonderfully with an intoxicating nose, perfect balance and quintessentially Burgundy flavors. It WAS indeed the perfect time to drink it, as it was agreed that it would probably not be better in 5 or 10 years. The Seylem edged out the Vosne Romanee by a hair and so technically speaking, the Yanks won! But in fairness, all the wines drank well.



2004 Domestic Syrah (Joe H 8/21/07)

2004 Domestic Syrah
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating Price Score
1 2004 Colgin ? $289 12
2 2004Lewis Napa Syrah ? $75 30
3 2004 Alban Reva  ? $?30
4 2004 Big Basin Rattlesnake 91-94 $54 37
5 2004 Behrens & Hitchcock 94 $90 38
6 2004 Pax 96 $6944
7 2004 Garretson 94 $4248
8 2004 Tyrus Evan ?$3551

notes

The most expensive wine WON!

World Cabernet (Joe T 6/07)

World Cabernet Blind Tasting Results
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating Price Score
1 1993 Robert Chevillon Nuits-Saint-Georges, Les Vaucrains
2 1999 Aldo Conterno, Barolo
3 1989 Paul Jaboulet Aine, Hermitage La Chapelle
4 1986 Chateau Mouton Rothchild
5 1986 Laurel Glen
6 1990 Chateau de Beaucastel, Chateauneuf-du-Pape
 ? 2003 Fidelitas Champoux Vineyard

notes

The surprise wine was the Fidelitas Champoux, it was hard to rate vs the others, but it was a hit.

2001 Super Tuscan (Randy 2/7/07)


1994 California Cabernet (Kip 11/15/06)

1994 California Cabernet Blind Tasting Results
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating Price Score
1 1994 Etude 95 $45 15
2 1994 Arrowood Reserve Speciale 95 $50 22
3 1994 Beringer Private Reserve 94 $? 23
4 1994 Ridge Monte Bello 95(Tanzer) $? 24
5 1994 Mondavi Reserve 98 $75 32
6 1994 Abreu 94 $50 37
7 1994 Beringer Knights Valley 89 $20 42

notes

Mark and Todd correctly identified the Beringer Knights Valley! Wines were consistently good and generally ready to drink (though they could go at least another 5-10 years). Thanks to "team Kip" for the wonderful dinner with impeccable service!

Note Parker rated the 1994 year as a "94". Prices listed are the release prices.

1999 Red Burgundy (Steve 9/18/06)

1999 Red Burgundy Blind Tasting Results
Rank Year Wine Burghound Rating Price
1 1999 Domain Dujac Echezeaux 92-94 $167
2 1999 Domain Dujac Clos St. Denis 90-92 $212
3 1999 Domain Dujac Clos de la Roche 92 $220
4 1999 Domaine Bertagna Clos de Vougeot 97 $80
5 1999 Anne Gros Clos de Vougeot 92 $120
6 1999 Domaine Ponsot Griotte-Chambertin 92 $88
7 1999 Rene Engle Grands Echezeaux 92-94 $135

notes

The wines were uniformly fantastic. All were drinking well. No on was surprised that Domain Dujac dominated. Sensational dinner with Roasted lamb with dates and goat cheese.

1996 French Bordeaux (Mark 8/06)

1996 French Bordeaux Blind Tasting Results
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating Price Score
1 1996 Pichon-Longueville Comtesse de Lalande 96 $359 23
2 1996 Grand-Puy-Lacoste 93 $75 24
3 1996 L'Eglise Clinet 93 $145 25
4 1996 Mondotte 97 $359 26
5 1996 Ausone 93 $240 26
6 1996 Lafite-Rothchild 100 $440 32
7 1996 Cos D'Estournel 93 $95 40

notes

Overall our feeling was that these wines we still quite closed and needed another 10 years at least to come anywhere near maturity. We wondered how Parker could taste all he was tasting and be so sure of the vintage, because the wines were so closed. The ones that we ranked best were probably those which were the most approachable today. The others are going to require patience. If you have 'em - hold 'em!

2002 Australian Shiraz (Howard 5/8/06)

Howard was the host and this was held 5/8/06 at Left Bank.

Shiraz Blind Tasting Results
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating Price Score
1 2002 Shrivington 99 $160 18
2 2002 Kilikanoon Oracle 97 $70 26
3 2002 Torbreck The Factor 99 $110 26
4 2002 Clarendon Hills Astralis 99 $249 27
5 2002 Marquis Phillips Integrity 99 $160 27
6 2002 Greenock Creek Creek Block 96 $174 35
7 2002 Noon Shiraz Reserve 99 $23037
8 2002 Fox Creek Reserve NR $45 Best Value

Comments

Guys, add your comments here:

The Fox Creek Reserve was an "add-on" and general thoughts are that it would have scored in the middle of the pack. At $40-$45 - its an exceptional value.

Global Cabernet Competition (Joe T. 2/15/06)

Joe T. was the was the host at BCC.

Global Cab Competition Tasting Results
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating Price
1 2002 Leonetti Cellars 92 $80
2 2001 Joseph Phelps Insignia 95 $125
3 2002 Cheval des ANdes 88 $70
4 2001 Penfolds Bin 707 87 $85
4 1999 Ornellia 94 $115
6 2001 Arrowood 96 $92
7 2003 Miner Family NR $45
8 2000 Chateau Branon 96 $115

Comments

Guys, add your comments here:

Leonetti, from little ol' Washington State was the reigning champion of the WORLD!

Joseph Phelps Insignia Vertical (Joe H. 12/5/05)

Hosted at Il Fornaio by Joe H.

(This table still needs to be properly ranked - anyone recall the scores?)

Tasting Results
Rank Year Wine Parker Rating Price Score
1 2002 Joseph Phelps Insignia 95 $150
2 1995 Joseph Phelps Insignia 97 $?
3 1996 Joseph Phelps Insignia 99 $?
4 1997 Joseph Phelps Insignia 96 $?
5 1998 Joseph Phelps Insignia 91 $?
6 1999 Joseph Phelps Insignia 96 $?
7 2001 Joseph Phelps Insignia 95 $125
8 1994 Joseph Phelps Insignia 96 $?

Comments

Add comments here.

These wines were remarkably consistent, despite the fact that the composition of the wines varied greatly with respect to the varietals.

1997 California Cabernet Tasting (Randy 8/24/05)

1997 California Cabernet Blind Tasting Results
Wine Market Price Rank Score
1997 David Arthur Cabernet Elevation 1147 $495 1 9
1997 Pride Mountain Vineyards Cabernet Reserve $275 2 20
1997 Hourglass Cabernet $215 3 20
1997 Shafer Cabernet Hillside Select $349 4 21
1997 Araujo Eisle Vineyard Estate Cabernet $225 5 23
1997 Fisher Cabernet Wedding Vineyard $240 6 33

1997 World Syrah Tasting (Kip - 6/7/05)

Syrah Blind Tasting Results
Rank Year Wine Price Score
1 1997 Fox Creek Shiraz Reserve $66 12
2 1997 Penfolds Grange $150 23
3 1997 Turley Petite Syrah Hayne Vinyard $60 27
4 1996 Arrowood Syrah Saralee's Vinyard $60 31
5 1997 Guigal La Turque $190 31
6 1997 Chave Hermitage $120 32
7 1997 Clarendon Hills Shiraz Brookmans Vinyard $60 40

Comments

This was Chez Kip. The wines were opened up to 3 hours before the tasting. The surprise here was obviously the Fox Creek. It was a real crowd pleaser that everyone loved. It received a score of 12 while the next score up was a 23, so it really ran away with the prize. The wines were well matched with beef tenderloin served with a Bechamel sauce.

1993 Red Burgundy Tasting (Steve - 6/3/05)

1993 Red Burgundy Blind Tasting Results
Wine Market Price Rank Points
1993 Rousseau, Armand--Chambertin $495 1 14
1993 Rousseau, Armand--Chambertin Clos de Beze $450 2 21
1993 Domaine Robert Jayer--Gilles Echezeaux $199 3 23
1993 Domaine Dujac Clos St. Denis $140 4 25
1993 Mugnier, Jacques-Frederic--Musigny $165 5 31
1993 Gros, Anne et Francois--Richebourg $200 6 33
1993 Domaine Georges Roumier Bonnes Mares*$124 7 49

*corked

2005 Schedule

In an effort to improve our planning for 2005 I would like to suggest the following schedule the wine dinners for the coming year. My suggestions is that the wine dinner fall on the first Tuesday of each month except for those months where there is a high likleyhood of many of us being absent. Exception months that we will skip are: July, August, December (and probaly Jan, though we will deal with Jan later) . If an individual cannot make a dinner, the host is welcome - indeed encouraged - to invite a substitute guest(s). If 3 or 4 of us cannot make a dinner (or the host cannot do the date), then by all means the host can/should make an effort to reschedule. But barring that, the show will go on. So here is the proposed schedule:

Domestic Pinot tasting Jan 2005

I recently put together a wine tasting to find out the very best Pinot Noir made in the US. The year 2002 has been heralded as possibly the best year for California Pinot EVER. The mission for our wine group was to find the absolute best domestic Pinot Noir of the past few years where price was no object. It was a great tasting, because as one participant put it: "the quality of the wines was uniformly high and differences were more stylistic than anything else. In the end, the points did show a characteristic spread, but there wasn't a wine in the group that we wouldn't be proud to serve to the most discriminating palate."

Our convivial tasting group is composed of professional level collectors and/or imbibers: The type that has spent a lot of time, money and aspirin developing their palettes. Our tasting's are always conducted completely blind where the bottles are typically wrapped in foil to conceal the labels, then poured. Participants then taste and rate the wines 1 through 8. We are forced to choose one over another, even though at first taste, two may seem similar. Only after they are rated are we permitted to discuss our perceptions of the wines. Then all of the scores are tallied and then the wines are unveiled. Here are the results, counting down to the winner:

8th Best Pinot Noir

2002 Beaux Freres - Beaux Freres Vinyard. $75 Wine Spectator gave this Oregon wine a 95 rating, the highest rating it has given to a 2002 Pinot. Wine Spectator commented �Big and ripe, a mouthwatering wine with tingly acidity bringing harmony to a wash o plum, blackberry, cherry and dusky spice flavors, which persist on the fine-grained, not terribly tannic finish. Our group thought the wine to be slightly out of balance, and without the depth of the great California Pinots. This wine scored last in the group in 8th place.


7th Best Pinot Noir

2001 Kistler - Cuvee Catherine. $200 Rating: unrated by Parker though previous years typically have been in the mid 90's. Parker�s comments on the 2000 vintage: The Cuvee Catherine is a wine of extraordinary ripeness and richness with intense violet aromas mixed with scents of blackberry and cherry liqueur.' Kistler is considered one of the premier American Pinots (and of course, Chardonnay). This wine like all of the wines in the tasting was a superb wine, though frankly I think we all expected more from house of Kistler. In a previous Pinot tasting we did several years ago, this wine finished second. This time around it finished 7th.


6th Best Pinot Noir

2001 Wesmar - Piner Ranch Vinyard. $35 (mailing list). From the Russian River Vally, this limited production wine had not been professionally rated as far as we could find, but has several die-hard supporters in our tasting group. It was more Burgundian in style, that is to say, more subtle and lighter taste, with a perfumed nose. It was also wonderfully balanced and silky. One taster who loved this wine commented that the Wesmar " had a wonderful dark fruit nose, a nice balanced cherry that persisted throughout the tasting but that never dominated, and tannins that provided a nice structure." This wine came in 6th in our tasting, but interestingly it was scored as #1 by its staunch supporter.

5th Best Pinot Noir

2001 Williams Seylem - Rochioli Riverblock Vinyard. $64. Rating: 92 points by Robert Parker. Williams Seylem was a no-brainer for inclusion in the tasting as Pinot aficionados everywhere recognize the consistent quality and uniqueness of their wine. Parker calls it a �spectacular effort. A striking nose of crushed rocks is intertwined with rose petals, as well as sweet black cherry, raspberry, and blueberry fruit�� We agreed with Parker: a great effort it was, but I think we all expected this producer to score higher; perhaps, in the top three. It fell short of that and came in 5th place.

4th Best Pinot Noir

1999 Marcassin - Marcassin Vinyard. $225. Rating: 95 points by Robert Parker. This was the wine had the whole group charged with anticipation. This was the eyebrow raiser �Oh, so we have a Marcassin!� We handled the bottle like it was the Hope diamond, and as far as availability and pricing go � it was. This is Helen Turley�s tour de force and the most expensive domestic Pinot one can buy � if you can buy it. It is only sold from their wine list, in very expensive restaurants (where you can expect to pay $400+) or at auction. Parker commented that the 1999 revealed ��a mineral, soy, Asian plum sauce characteristic, along with notes of black raspberries, scorched earth, steak tartare, and assorted black fruits. Subtle notions of toasty vanillin from new oak aging�� This wine was good, very good. OK, it was brilliant � but it was not the best and many of felt it should have been, given the hype and price. The Marcassin scored 4th place.

3th Best Pinot Noir

2002 Patz & Hall Pisoni Vinyard. $65. Rating: 91 Wine Spectator and 88 Points from Parker. We chose this wine because one of our group had heard special praise for the grapes from the Pisoni Vinyard and because Wine Specator had given it such a high rating. The wine had also scored well in previous years. While no one in the tasting gave this wine a 1, no one gave it lower than a 5. Wine Spectator said �rich, smooth, supple, graceful Pinot, with layers of cola, raspberry and blackberry fruit�� We generally agreed. Not much to dislike here, the Patz was well rounded, had real depth and was generally a crowd pleaser. It also has the advantage of being generally more available than many of the others. This fine effort won 3rd place.

2nd Best Pinot Noir

2002 Martinelli - Zio Tony Ranch. $50. Rating: 93 points Robert Parker. Martinelli has a bevy of single vineyard Pinot�s: Bondi Ranch, Blue Slide, Zio Tony and others. Their winemaker is fabled Helen Turley, so it�s no accident that they are ranking at the top of the list, not just from Parker, but in our tasting as well. Make no mistake about it, these are profound wines, all. Deep as the middle of the sea, rich as honey, they are unmistakable fruit bombs in the grandest sense. Parker points out plum, raspberry, sweet black cherry fruit and spice. I would add ripened blackberry, and a bit of the signature Turley high alcohol heat which mixes wonderfully with the spice. These are the type of quintessentially American Pinot�s that the French dare not to make. This Pinot garnered a 2nd place and notably shared many similar characteristics to the 1st place finisher.

THE Best Pinot Noir

2001 Miner � Gary�s Vinyard $50. Rating: Top Pinot 2001, New York Times. The last time we blind tasted Pinots was three years ago and Miner surprised the group by finishing first. Most of us had not even heard of the producer. Much like winning the Masters golf tournament, I decided that once a winner, it deserved a chance to defend its title, even though Parker hasn�t bothered to rate it and the best score that Wine Spectator could muster was an 88. The 2001 did not go unnoticed though, as the New York Times gave it the top slot of 2001 domestic Pinots. There was a certain amount of �shock and awe� when we finally unveiled the winner of our blind tasting: Miner had done it again. Sure, some will argue that it won�t age as well as the others. Perhaps, but I doubt many bottles will make it more than a few years, it�s just too good not to drink now.

Proposed schedule
Orignial Date Actual Date Host Tasting Notes
Feb March 21st Mark Brunello
April 6th May 3rd Steve 1993 Red Burgundy
May 4th Randy
June 8th June 7th Kip
Sept 7th Joe H.
October 5th October 7th Koe T. this was origianlly the 5th but was changed
November 2nd Howie Garagist Bordeaux Wines

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